@jwildeboer I feel that we shouldn't be in too much of a hurry to get jabs of medicine made by the same people who do stuff like this:
Pharma giants are for-profit. Their aim is money, not social service.
And if it's more cost effective for them to pay the fine than to make misleading claims about their products, they would dot it.
There are too many similar examples. I don't trust pharma giants.
Here's a recent example. This time by J&J:
@unpopop Questions about the vaccine and how they work - happy to give you information. Discussions about the evilness of big Pharma - not my thing.
@unpopop in my original post is says that I will *try* to answer your questions and that you can send them as direct message. You however chose to post a *public* rant about Big Pharma with no real question behind it and now blame me for not helping you. I apologise for my obvious resistance to go in that conspiracy shithole.
A blame-game isn't what I was after. Sorry if you felt that I initated one.
Anyway this isn't the kind of discussion that I sought.
And I think the discussion would be better made in public rather than in DMs for the same reason that @dontoverthinklife mentioned in a reply to your original post:
'Staying in DMs would hide both side's arguments'.
@jwildeboer @unpopop ...mistrust against the industrial pharmaceutical complex is a valid point from an objective standpoint. Just let your arguments speak instead of shutting down. And I mean, wasn't it predictable that someone will confront you with things you disagree when coming to the table with such a hot topic?
I would've liked a healthy discussion on the topic where passions don't go overboard.
Genuine answers to my questions and clarification for my doubts.
Also looking for links to news reports to back up (or refute) things that are mentioned in this post.
@unpopop on vector vaccines, for starters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine especially the history and further reading parts. @dontoverthinklife
@dontoverthinklife and here you can see the median participant number in flu vaccine trials is around 5000. https://www.who.int/phi/DAY1_10_Denis_PM_SaoPaulo2015.pdf Far less than the 43000+ participants in the BioNTech/Pfizer Phase III. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
Regarding the FDA approval for Pfizer, has Pfizer stopped asking for indemnity against any adverese effect emanating out of their vaccine? Despite FDA approval?
If not, why?
Doesn't that mean the people who make the vaccine themselves think that adverse effects are possible?
@dontoverthinklife @unpopop I am sorry, but you simply just raise new questions instead of admitting at least once that I answered your previous questions. That’s not a discussion. I’m not willing to waste my time on you if all you do is ignoring replies and pile on new questions all the time. Have a nice day.
As per my understanding, a discussion involves questions being asked and answered. That might mean new questions might evolve.
But don't do anything that you'd rather not do. I don't want to waste your time either.
I began replying only because you welcomed discussion and your original post sounded friendly (rightly or wrongly).
Thanks for your time.
If by me not admitting you answered at least one of my queries, you meant the wikipedia link (I don't think Wikipedia is a great source, but still) and press release from Pfizer itself (again, not sure how unbiased it would be as they are the ones who made the medicine), I will after I finish reading the contents of the links that you posted (which I haven't yet).
I hope you don't mind if I reply after reading them.
@unpopop See, that is part of the problem. You admittedly haven't even read the articles I linked to as reply but yet you put more questions on me to answer. That is NOT what I call a discussion, an exchange of arguments with appreciation of the arguments put forward. Thus it becomes a one way street. Something I simply don't have the time for.
Thanks for re-adding me!
I skimmed through your catalog of concerns, @unpopop. You put some interesting aspects together!
Unfortunately the discussion between you two didn't go through it. It could have been a good guideline not to get lost.
Also sad that the chemistry doesn't seem to be right for this... I think that's the case for most people discussing the recent events.
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