Well I suspect that unless the EU refuses to give the UK more time and also refuses to accept the revoking of Article 50 we will not be leaving the EU after this heinous law was implemented that gives the government no choice but to stab the leave voters in the back. #brexit
@dick_turpin It's called democracy ;)
@jwildeboer They should have had a General Election over a year ago. If Labour had won they could have held a 2nd referendum but then, at the time, they were in favour of leaving too! Most of them still are. I think we should have a General Election a.s.a.p. it will clearly be a pretend referendum but it should decide once and for all if we stay or go.
Personally I don't think we can afford to stay now for the reason I set out earlier. I await to be proved right as per usual.
@dick_turpin I have always said that the 2016 referendum was IMHO useless as it was an emotional, not a rational vote. There was no plan behind the leave option. Now that a Withdrawal Agreement is on the table, a referendum would be more based on concrete outcome. It was a rushed mess in 2016 and ATM it isn't much better IMHO. I hope a majority of the people agrees that No Deal is not even close to being a solution. We will see :(
There was only one problem with the 2016 Brexit referendum.
Forget emotion, forget rational.
It was a binary choice. That was the problem.
And for that, I solely blame David ('Anyone interested in my memoirs') Cameron.
His idiocy and self-interest resulted in three years of chaos where important domestic issues have been completely sidelined.
This is what annoys me to the point of pure rage. It simply said "stay" or "leave" on the ballot paper and half the nation is lying and saying "We voted to leave with a a deal." no you fookin didn't! you voted stay or leave nobody mentioned the implications of either choice.
@ghostdancer @andyc @jwildeboer I think all sides claim to know the reasons why along with what they believe should happen. Andy is totally correct in his assessment. Cameron was convinced the vote would be "Remain" and so therefore did diddley squat in terms of preparation that's why he skipped town before the walls came crashing down. Whether he thought a vote would scare the EU is a matter for yet another bleedin(g) debate!
@jwildeboer @ghostdancer @andyc Na, it was even more pathetic than that! The referendum was in the Tory manifesto. Most of our party's make promises to get voted in that they rarely keep. Cameron thought this would be a fore gone conclusion and so therefore trivial to grant thus making it look like the Tories upheld a manifesto election promise only to have it backfire on him.
@jwildeboer Yep, I agree with you. The only reason I'm in favour of leaving without a deal is because I don't believe the EU is going to offer anything that will be acceptable to everyone or at the very least a majority. It would be better to leave, wipe the slate clean and start again.
The only reason I'm not in favour of staying is because I truly believe the EU will go for our jugular now they know just how weak we are.
@stardot When he isn't busy painting boxes as buses ;) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/25/boris-johnson-reveals-he-makes-models-of-buses-to-relax
@jwildeboer that alone should disqualify the man from the prime ministership. That and wanting the job in the first place
@stardot @fabsh @jwildeboer It's painfully obvious Boris doesn't have a new deal, I suspect he was hoping the threat of leaving without one would have got Michel Barnier to pull something out of the bag but that too failed. I don't think anyone has won I feel like we've all lost something whatever side of the political fence you are on.
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