creator Guido van Rossum puts it plain and simple. Asked about what role python could play in the world, he says

„Let web3 die in a flaming ball of fire.“

@jwildeboer but aren't we decentralized, or federated atleast. Meets the web3 goals doesn't it?

Or maybe it's web1.0 but sexy :thinking_rms:

@ParmuTownley web3 means that some sort of cryptocoin is needed for every transaction. The fediverse doesn't require that. Hence it is not web3.

Thanks for asking @ParmuTownley and thanks for clarifying @jwildeboer

As a new user to the #fediverse I'm happy I now understand the difference!

@jwildeboer @ParmuTownley To play devil's advocate: if something is monetised in a different way, that reduces the temptation to monetise by selling personal data

@Hyolobrika @jwildeboer @ParmuTownley there is holochain, which will probably be a colossal failure, but its trying to do the distributed chain stuff based on social proofs instead of shitcoins.

@icedquinn @ParmuTownley @jwildeboer I heard of that but couldn't make sense of the info. "Social proofs" makes me think of @duniter's web of trust.

@Hyolobrika no there is basically a big DHT like bittorrent and then there is a block chain for individual user identities and they can store chain updates here so other users of the same application also store parts of that chain. this lets you verify that someone else didn't alter their history after they created it but it doesn't give you any of that data.

the data blocks are content addressed and published if the app wants to do so. they can be verified in history by checking with the DHT of other same-app users to see if any weird forks were created (such as the identity owner creating and signing a new timeline) and you can verify that large blob was in the chain at some point. but you can also choose to not publish blobs, so for example you have to already have a copy of an email to prove it was sent (while everyone else just sees that an email of some content was sent)

the social proof aspect is that you get a random allotment of other users on the same application who become stewards of your records and they can verifiably certify that you are obeying or clowning the protocol as the application is written.

this is basically Ripple but instead of a fixed trust chain the people who certify you are randomly selected and have to form a majority agreement.

@ParmuTownley @jwildeboer @duniter
@ParmuTownley @jwildeboer what they say about federation in web3 actually means some cryptoscam bs in 95%.

What we're doing is actually not that different from plain e-mail.
@a1ba @ParmuTownley @jwildeboer we already have web3, it's called fediverse. And without all that cripto-nonesence
@a1ba @northern_dude @ParmuTownley @jwildeboer How is the web only on version 3? We need to keep up with version number inflation. I say the next one should be called web 400.
@ParmuTownley @jwildeboer the thing with web 3.0 is it's been largely coopted by cryptopeople?
to the point people hear web3 and think crypto.
and that's not fedi, we don't use that stuff.
we're about as close to web3 as xmpp or e-mail, and I don't see anyone calling those web3?
hell, I believe they predate web 2.0
so no, fedi isn't web3

@jwildeboer Well, it looks like they have no clue of what web3 is, in fact it doesn't exist yet.

@katnjiapus @jwildeboer Wow, that guy's the definition of "pissbaby" of he's going to go running to Musk like that. :blobdisapproval:

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